#ableism and saneism cw

[pinkxcloudz]

"i'm using delusional in the right context, it's not like it's that serious"

DELUSIONAL DISORDER + SCHIZO SPECTRUM DISORDERS + TBI + MANY OTHERS

"calling someone a narcissist isn't ableist it's not a disability"

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

"sociopath/psychopath are just adjectives it's not like I'm hurting anyone"

ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER

"saying i'm ocd doesn't affect you it's just the way i act"

MOTHERFUCKING OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER

OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER

"i'm schizoposting lol it's just a joke"

SCHIZOPHRENIA

SCHIZOID PERSONALITY DISORDER

SCHIZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER

SCHIZOTYPAL PERSONALITY DISORDER

it's never just a joke, it's never an adjective. use a fucking thesaurus

[sonicattos]

i want you guys to know it’s a hot topic to call abuse “narcissism”

if you’re wondering why this is disgusting: narcissism is a personality disorder. and vilifying such a thing is extremely harmful and stigmatizes people who struggle with such a thing, which is also extremely ableist and dangerous. call it what it is. it’s abuse. verbal and emotional abuse. manipulation. belittling.

you don’t even have to be a ‘narcissist’ to be this way. abusive people exist. sorry you need to dehumanize them by labeling them as with a mental disorder (which shouldn’t be dehumanizing to have) because you can’t deal with the fact that human beings can become awful people. but don’t wrap others into this.

i do not have narcissism myself, but as someone within cluster b i too am affected. i have abusive people in my life that yes, have selfish tendencies, but wouldn’t call “narcissistic” because thats not how that works. again. i call it what it is. it’s abuse. full stop. stop armchair diagnosing for sympathy points.

[paranormeow7]

me when I see people using words like “narcissist”, “sociopath” “borderline” etc to describe any bad person they’ve ever met when I have friends actually suffering from cluster b disorders

[a-totally-reasonable-username]

When you and your best friend would both have been thought to be possessed if you'd been alive a few centuries ago, but for completely different reasons >>>>

[slugass]

oh my god are will still rewarding characters in the story for referring to the “killer” as a “psycho” god can we please stop beating this dead horse

psychosis does not automatically make you violent, most people with psychosis aren’t violent, and when they are it’s not literally just because Psychosis.

and even if it refers to psychopathy instead of psychosis, which are not the same thing, and this term’s vagueness makes it do absolutely nothing to dispell any confusion between the two terms…

psychopathy is not “being murderous and that’s it”. the negative aspects of it are not just “being murderous”. so even if it’s NOT stereotyping psychosis, it’s still flanderizing something complicated that’s also related to a complicated mental disorder (aspd).

can we potray mental illness-flanderizing language like this as a flaw more please

oh and btw this is a stuido making money off of this

[autie-hobbit]

Y'all, just because you aren't straight up saying the R-slur doesn't make the thing you're saying better.

"Are you special?" and "Are you slow?" are still fucking ableist as fuck, please stop saying them.

I see "Are you slow?" everywhere. Like, I mean, everywhere, And I'm really sick of it.

[kiruliom]

deranged

a flag for deranged from the minecraft mod "origins"

quick note: I know people cant always choose what they identify as/with in regards to alterhumanity, but Id heavily prefer if this was used exclusively by schizospec or otherwise "heavily disordered" people. I do not support this origin in particular but it does exist and is therefore a possible alterhuman identity, please keep that in mind.

meant for alterhuman/nonhumans

tagging @seasulfur and @specieschive

please do not reupload without permission and credit

[luxdraconia]

i think i can speak for all of your mutuals here when i say this. commit already you narcissistic psychopath piece of shit.

womp womp

[fanby-fckry]

Ok, I had a whole post about why it’s fucked up to start calling Stella a narcissist as soon as we had solid proof she’s abusing Octavia, but it’s lost in my drafts and I just saw someone call Cash a narcissist so…

Narcissist is not a synonym for abuser and narcissistic abuse is not real!

I say this as someone abused by someone with NPD. Because guess what? I was also abused by multiple other neurodivergent people without NPD, but if I called that “autistic abuse” or “obsessive compulsive abuse” you’d rightfully be down my throat about being ableist.

Please point to me where Stella and Cash show symptoms of NPD. I’ll wait.

And no, Cash’s scapegoat/golden/forgotten child family structure does not count. That’s just regular ol’ child abuse stuff. I was the scapegoat for my non-NPD grandmother, I would know.

[butch-bakugo]

Tumblr's "anti-psych" community is so clearly completely unaware of the reality of some mental illness and the full history of asylums, it's fucking unreal. It's so clearly teenagers with a shitty therapist who watch ghost hunting shows where they trample around the graves of the mentally disabled and take their "hyper-progressive" views to the max.

Not all asylums were bad, over run, abusive, dirty, neglectful, violent and suffocating. Especially when they were started around the late 1800s. We all know the horror stories and they did happen but to broadly paint every asylum ever, including all modern day mental health facilities, as inherently bad is not only disingenuous fear mongering but factually fucking untrue, even in a general sense, most were not mass experimenting on their fucking patients. This isn't to silence the very real and very upsetting stories told by many here and on other platforms, your experience did happen and you are valid for warning others. However, a good experience being shared is less interesting to the general public than one rife with tragedy so many good experiences are either ignored or drowning in a sea of comments of people questioning their perception or just endlessly repeating the bad ones or trauma dumping which is really weird to do. Your watching too many horror movies, they didn't all have their government required licenced Dr. Lector on staff. Many were good and kind to their patients and it's important to not imagine these things through a modern light. In today's world, we are perfectly capable of knowing that electro-shock therapy does nothing for anyone is just used as torture but people in the fucking 1880s didn't fucking know that. No, the nurses and doctors administrating these painful procedures (including fucking lobotomies) weren't doing these things cause they fucking hated mentally ill people and just wanted to disable them so they'd shut the fuck up and work for the capitalist machine quietly, they did them because they genuinely believed they were helping their patients. Just because it was sometimes used maliciously dosent mean that the procedure's implementation was exclusively malicious. Here's a modern lens; abortion. There is a difference between a woman receiving an abortion consensually because it's harming her and a native Canadian woman being non-consentually sterilized by the government and due to her current pregnancy, they performed an abortion. Both kill a fetus but one is wanted and the other isn't. Medical procedures are, for the most part, neutral. Medical removal of the kidney and getting it stolen both take out a fuckin kidney. These doctors believed that electro-shock therapy was a necessary evil, like cutting off someone's foot cause the toes were necrosing. Painful but nessesary. When you blanketly label all outdated mental health treatments as evil ableist and typicalist violence committed against mentally ill people, you are pushing conspiracy and misinformation. Some people abused it, but most thought they were helping. They weren't coming from a place of ableism. In today's standards we know for a fact it's useless and just torture, both patient and doctor alike almost 200 yrs ago thought they were helping them. Just because you lost faith in the medical field or doctors or even all of humanity dose not give you the right to fucking lie about people who had nothing but love for this community but did not have the information and technology to know for certain. Put the modern lens down.

Secondly, and this is very fucking important, Some mental illness is inherently harmful and the individuals with these symptoms or illnesses can and will forever be a danger to society. Saying we should just destroy the whole system dose not help you or these people.

I get called saneist (I qualify as insane by your standards) and ableist/typicalist (I am both mentally and physically disabled) because I state this fact. It's not a fun fact but it is the literal truth. Chemicals within someone's brain can be so out of wack that no medication will cure them or even really stop them, just slow them, to the point where it never was and never will be safe for them to reenter society at large. They are not and never will be considered "beyond saving" but the body can be that far into disregulation that they are a danger and can not be without strong and constant medical supervision. It's not fun to think about and these cases are fairly rare and very sad for both that individual and for their family but the goal here is safety and quality of life and that's what is being put forth by forced and permanent residency in mental health hospitals for some people. There are many many mental illnesses that cannot be cured and damage the brain to such an extent, the person, their memories, their relationships and their personalities are so lost to this damage or illness, they do not understand why it's bad to stab people and they cannot safely exist in society. That's ok. No, say it, it's ok that some people can't exist unsupervised in society because they are a danger to themselves and others. So much of the conversations around mental health right now are by perfectly sane barely neurotypical people who have no business trying to decide what's best for people other than themselves. These people are no less valuable than you and I but this is the reality of some mental illness and they are the baby you throw out with the anti-psych shut-down-all-mental-hospitals bath water.

In the mental health community, there's a lot of " disneyism", aka blind hopefulness and psoitivity snd feel good mesaaging with zero basis in reality and is often harmful and dangerous. It's very similar to toxic positivity, the idea that any sort factual evidence and especially conversations should be uplifting or else it's toxic, like the idea that every person in chronic pain should constantly be happy and uplifting and hopeful and should not share any feelings of hopelessness or depression because they "bring down the mood" or " encourage defeatist thinking in those new to the community who need to be uplifted", ultimately silencing negative thought and living in ignorant bliss for the sake of hopefulness and maintaining an entirely positive image for those outside the community. It punishes people for having negative emotions which is toxic and dangerous. This disneyism in the mentally disabled community basically looks like the phrases, everyone can get better, even cured, with enough time, meds and therapy and no one is beyond eventual release and anyone could eventually get off their meds and other feel good sediments that are hopeful and nice to think about and although a world like that would be wonderful, its a fucking fantasy made by and peddled by and made for people that it applies to factually and zero others. Not everyone, infact most of us, will ever truly "get better/cured" for most of these illnesses, especially those I mentioned earlier, these are chronic deteriorating conditions and right now in the present is as good as they are ever gonna get. They will get worse with age. They will never go into a true "remission". Not everyone can or should, for their own health and safety and yours, eventually be released. Many of those who can't often need around the clock care and constant supervision. It won't go away just because you like the idea personally. Mental hospitals are some of the only places these people and others who are not in as an extreme position can receive the care they need at the consistency they need it at. In home care is really the only other option but for many, it's simply not possible financially or practically. Most of us will never truly be able to completely get off their meds. They are as nessesary as air for many.

And guess what? All of that, is ok. To say it isn't or can't be is ableism. It's ok if it won't eventually get better, it's ok if it will never be cured and it's ok if it will only get worse. One day at a time. Maybe it will and that's a nice bit of motivation but there is no garentee for any and it's best to focus on your comfort and quality of life before you worry about " getting better". That may not be an option for you and that's ok. It's ok if some people can not or ever should be released for their own and other's health and safety. These individuals are there because it is good for them, many don't remember anything but the hospital or even have the mental capacity to realize they can't leave. Many never really knew that free life because they went from their parent's care straight to the hospital residency. I promise you, people with your level of sanity and consciousness, if you have the ability to read and comprehend this post without checking with hospital staff, are not rotting in those hospitals as permanent patients going stir crazy. They know and are comfortable with that life and they are not in the same places as people on 72 hour or week or months long holds like most of us who visit. Their lives are lives you will likely never see and their parents or guardians often visit and are very involved their care as their emotional and physical irregularities often qualify as mental disability and reduced mental age. There are issues of abuse but they are not nearly as common as every other form of medical malpractice, even remotely. Please do not try to put yourself in their shoes to try to judge their situation because they do not have the same mental capacity as you and that is ok. You do not know better than their guardians, the nurses and care staff who care for them every day and the entire medical field involved in severe mental illness, I promise. You, someone with no degree or even considerable amount of knowledge about this field of science, do not have the secret key to curing them " that every ableist in that field overlooked cause it makes them less money 😡", just say something something big pharma and shit with the rest of the antivaxer anti intellectual maga pizza gate conspiracy theorists and their heart stopping fears of abortion and giant what-causes-autism-today wheel and shut the ever loving fuck up.

No, even if you watched 10 or 20 or 1,000 documentaries and did 20 or 50 or 5,000 hours of article and source reading, you do not know what is best for the mental health community, especially if your answer, off minimal evidence, is scorched earth. Me and my mom disagree on many topics ranging from immigration (she's a first and I'm a second generational American as my grandmother is an immigrant from Canada and her mother was an immigrant from fucking Holland. We are also pan-generational due to nativeness but you get the point.) to vaccines to abortion and although we generally align, there's plenty of things she's gotten wrong. One piece of advice however that she didn't get wrong was the simple sentence of " If it were such an easy problem (in America) to solve, we wouldn't still be talking about it. It would have already been solved." And although this isn't universal advice and some little short sided instant-gratificational brat could scream a few words sentences at me like "Hunger? Feed them! It's only complicated if you're classist! 😡🖕🏼😡" But that don't apply to fuckin policy. It's more complicated than that in actuality.

What I mean is, basically, the answer is simple but the implication is very very fucking complicated however... You gotta get that answer right for it to work and shutting down the entire mental health system overnight (which some anti-psych dumbasses on Tumblr who can't even comprehend that the person writing this drools sometimes if they think too much and they'd happily patronize and infantilize me if they met me irl aka be ableist cause they arent as disabled as I am) would have catastrophic consequences and result in the deaths of millions of disabled people they never even knew or considered existing. The fact is, most of them may qualify as insane but they are not mentally disabled and the people I'm talking about have mental disabilities and yet again, I beg as a mentally disabled person, mentally abled people? Stop fucking trying to make choices for us just because you think your better than us. Let mentally disabled people, like me and many others, who have the disability and also the mental capacity to advocate for ourselves, to do so for those who don't. Those are the most vulnerable of our oppressed group, not yours, and you aren't even in the building so how dare you try to break in and talk about our courtyard.

The most vulnerable woc in the US are native American women as we top every chart, often 2 or 3 times over, any other racial minority in America from dv to homelessness to hate crimes to murder/missing statistics. It's a bad day to be the #1 in most of the places we qualify. Fellow woc, would you let a white woman, who thinks she knows what's best for native women and native women can't make choices for ourselves, make choices for the native woman community? FUCK NO. It's the same issue here. Neurotypical (oppressed, the woman part of the white woman in this analogy) but mentally abled (oppressor, the white part of the white woman in this analogy), have no business addressing the neurodivergent and mentally disabled (the native and woman parts of the native women in this analogy) community like you know what's better for us. I can go a million way with this analogy but it never gets less entitled and bigoted; cisgays trying to make choices for trans gays, Low income but houses trying to make choices for no income homeless, the list goes on and on and on.

Being oppressed like us in one way but not in another related way dosent make you inherently knowledgeable about what's best for both groups, especially the one your not in. Neurodivergence and mental disability are sisters but they are not twins. Related but separate. Being an expert in one dosent mean you know enough about the other to claim expertise in it. Someone who knows everything about reduced mental age won't understand everything, hell sometimes anything but certainly not sufficient amounts, about personality disorders and you do not know everything, hell mostly anything and certainly not sufficient amounts, about mental capacity or reduced mental age or mental disabilities period just because your neurodivergent for any reason. You do not, and should not, talk about issues you have no horse in the race of. Those with mental ability need to stop trying to talk over mentally disabled people. We can advocate for ourselves. We do not need you. Just because I may not be mentally disabled enough to qualify for full time hospital supervision doesn't mean I don't understand their issues. I may not be at the deep end of the pool with them but at least I'm still in the fuckin pool and you aren't even in the pool at all so why don't you worry about you and your friends and the scraped knees and broken arms you all have from constantly and weirdly reaching in to touch us and try to pull us out and yell over us when we explain we're ok and semi-aquatic, ya land mammal.

Thanks for the worry but we got this, can you respect us now or is your ego too big to accept that despite your weird ableist self-assurance, you are not inherently louder, more articulate and smarter than a mentally disabled person?

Is your visage of the drooling retard too innocent and distracted to tell you to stop fucking touching us shattered yet? It should be if ableism is really one of your supposed "top concerns."

Hop off our fucking dicks, weirdo.

[foxy-aac]

Foxy AAC case supposed come today, excited

Foxy mother brought Foxy her tablet for use for AAC - she not use it and give to Foxy

Foxy use phone for AAC with her during dinner, was happy not judge Foxy

Usually 50/50 whether Foxy mother accept Foxy disability or judge Foxy for it, was very happy was accept Foxy

Still need finish set up tablet, but happy

Hopes case do well, can bring-use easier

Foxy mother know Foxy psychotic, is why need speak help

Grateful she trying to accommodate, even if not always do right

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DNI anti-endo/sysmeds, radqueer/transID, queerphobes, ableism, saneism, hostility

[slugass]

“it’s not psychotic and chaotic, it’s just boring”

…ok but what does “psychotic” mean to her?? her aesthetic is weird cutesy cute things… where’s the fucking “psychotic” part?? it’s just cute quirky colorful things!

PSYCHOSIS IS NOT A FUN CUTE AESTHETIC.

[tommyssupercoolblog]

I think for every view one of those stupid YouTube shorts where a schizophrenic person is the Dangerous Villain somehow gets, an actual schizophrenic person should get 100 dollars

[avpdvoidspace]

no matter how many of these kinds of videos I tell youtube "don't recommend this channel to me", I just keep getting this kind of video recommendations. Why. There's nothing even close to this I'm choosing to watch. But yeah, don't give these things a 'thumbs down', go to the little three dots by it and choose 'don't recommend this channel to me'.

[fanby-fckry]

Throwing this in the queue, because I don’t want it to look like I’m vagueing (technically I am, but this is also a general vent and psa).

I genuinely hate it when people say “delulu.” I think it dilutes the meaning of the word (both the butchered spelling and the way it trivializes delusions), and as someone with psychosis + delusions, it irks me to no end.

I’ve seen it used both in wildly inappropriate ways (e.g. people calling themselves delusional/delulu for shipping non-canon ships) and in technically correct ways that are just… Off. Ways that make me suspect the person using the word doesn’t actually understand what delusions are, and are pop psych-ing their blorbos with no research or lived experience.

For the record, I’m not knocking people who project their symptoms onto fictional characters or who reclaim ableist/saneist language, and because I cannot definitively tell who is projecting/reclaiming, and who is talking out of their ass, I would never call out anyone in particular.

I don’t support gatekeeping, censorship, or callout posts, which is why I’m posting like this rather than naming names or pettily reporting people for ableism/hate-speech when it’s likely they just don’t know any better, or that I’m the one missing context. And I know that trying to forcefully censor anything regarding marginalized groups is likely to come back around to bite the same group in the ass.

That being said, I am begging non-delusional people to please put some thought into the words that you use and the way you portray/talk about delusions in fiction and in daily life.

Content Warning: unreality/talk of specific delusions; if you suffer from delusions and find your symptoms worsen when hearing details of others’ delusions, I recommend scrolling.

I’ve struggled with delusions regarding “mind readers” for about as long as I can remember, often becoming extremely distressed by the idea that someone in the room could be reading my thoughts, to the point of creating mental mantras to distract/overwhelm potential mind readers and repeating them over and over again in my head, screaming them with my inner voice.

It’s gotten a lot better with time and therapy, but there was a time where I had persistent thoughts of, “what if somebody can hear this?” and spent 30+ minutes straight addressing potential mind readers via thoughts.

I took “thought crime” to the extreme. I genuinely believed that at any time, there could be someone who might hear my thoughts and judge/punish me for them.

I have a similar delusion that still plagues me to this fucking day, where I believe that anything I say out loud can be heard, even if I’m alone. Who hears it? That’s not specified. It’s some nebulous ‘someone,’ but for some reason, they terrify me. There are times where I physically cannot bring myself to speak because I’m afraid that the ‘someone’ will hear.

Being a crackshipper who understands that your ship will never be canon but likes to play pretend is in no way comparable to experiencing delusions. Trust me, I’ve got both!

I’d also like to talk about using “delulu” to refer to delusions of grandeur in fandom.

Disclaimer: I don’t have a whole lot of personal experience with delusions of grandeur (I experience some fleeting instances of grandiosity, but not really to the point that it significantly affects my life), so if I say anything inaccurate or insensitive, please, please feel free to correct me.

It feels like delusions of grandeur are highly misunderstood and trivialized even moreso than other types of delusions.

Having a skewed sense of self can cause major problems in a person’s social/interpersonal life, cause an increase in risk-taking behavior which can but their health and their life in danger, and is often the result of trauma. Yes, this includes delusions of grandeur!

If you’re calling your blorbo “delulu” for having a grandiose view of themselves, please take a moment to ask yourself how this trait affects them, and how your description of it might sound to the real life people reading it, especially if this isn’t your experience.

Again, I cannot stop you. Not without potentially hampering the ability of delusional people to talk about our symptoms, scaring off questioning and self-diagnosed folks, and inciting infighting. And even then, I don’t think it’d truly scrub every use of the word.

But at least think about what I’ve said here. Pretty please?

[expressionless-fr]

why.. why just why . Just WHY.